satelite tv...do you ? hack or not to hack?

do you have a directtv satelite dish that has a hacked H card or HU card?
have you hacked your expressvu dish?
have you moved your expressvu dish so that you can hack the Dishnet satelite dish?

We just got a Bell Express Vu satellite dish, and everyone around my house is asking if we hacked...
Nope! No hacking for me.

I know people that DO (not us -- we still have cable), but with satellite being so affordable now, compared to what it was at one time, there really isn't any need to hack, unless you want the deluxe pkg...
Hubby wants the hockey specialty pkg, though, and we are getting a dish at Xmas time, so who knows?! We may cave, cuz there is no WAY I am shelling out that much $$ for stupid hockey!

Its officially illegal to hack american satellite systems now.

Originally posted by ertyu Its officially illegal to hack american satellite systems now.

With all due respect I beleive that is still not the case. Local shops around here are still advertising in Canwest Global owned papers in my area.

The court case last I heard is being appealed for selling these products. I don't beleive for the actual consumer end it has been decided.

HOWEVER

It has ALWAYS been illegal to modify a Canadian dish even if you are a consumer. DON'T DO IT EVER. It's a very dangerous game.

Originally posted by binabug have you moved your expressvu dish so that you can hack the Dishnet satelite dish?

I did not know you could do this!?! If you anre not stealing the Bell content and you own the hardware this might not be illegal.

Where did you hear about this? This TV techie junkie needs details

I have a legal Express-vu system.
I do know someone with a hacked system. They get cut off in the middle of programs constantly and they spend half their time searching for new codes to bypass Bell's security, which has been much more intensive the last few months. They are planning on going legit again because it's just too much trouble.

its all just like years ago everyone had the illegal pay per view box, they will just continue
finding ways to cut the illigal things off, & someone will always find a way to make the
new legal things, illegal.
I mean where i live there are large signs everywhere advertising hu card programming,
so i don't think thay are cracking down on illegal satalite yet.
and a whole satalite system for $200 & $30 every 3 months to keep it up in running with
999 channels, no wonder people r going illegal. these companies charge an arm & a leg
for these things, its a well deserved crime
& if i had any guts i would buy one, but i am a chicken. so just regular non expensive cable for
me.

Legal ExpressVu here. We could have hacked it but were advised to take the basic package before hacking. We said if were were gonna do that we might as well just pay for what we want. Now as for the LOOK reciever I still have because the bozos couldn't get their act together to pick it up.... I just may hack it and hook it up to the EV.

The last ruling, the Supreme Court said it was illegal to decode the american satellite signals, that applies at all levels and is the currently enforceable law, whether or not it may be appealed in the future.

Satellite signals are trespassing on your property. If you chose to grab them and use them , without paying the trespassers, so be it !

Originally posted by ertyu The last ruling, the Supreme Court said it was illegal to decode the american satellite signals, that applies at all levels and is the currently enforceable law, whether or not it may be appealed in the future.

To be more precise, The Supremes ruled that under the Radiocommunications Act it's illegal to decode encrypted signals that were not intended for the receiver, i.e. if you're not a licensed subscriber you can't decode the signal. It doesn't matter if the signal emanates from a Canadian transmitter, US transmitter, space satellite or some other source.

Interesting topic!

Can these companies somehow tell you are hacking?

I heard that the AVR board for the Expressvu dishes can be dedected as it emits some frequency (that a scanner can pick-up), however you have to be within a relatively short distance to get it.

Fact or Fiction -- i do not know.

Originally posted by Chuck I heard that the AVR board for the Expressvu dishes can be dedected as it emits some frequency (that a scanner can pick-up), however you have to be within a relatively short distance to get it. Fact or Fiction -- i do not know.

Solution for that, tinfoil around the board.

The authorities don't really have any will to go after users right now, they are going after dealers.

Apparently, there are a whole what 'o' channels that the guys get with the hacked cards, that we don't get, as subscribers. And dam, its getting expensive to subscribe to the Works! Just maybe....

A friend of mine hacks satillites. He said they drive around and look for dishes. Then they compare the addresses with dishes to thier customer list... if you have a dish, and no subscription, they go after you.

I don't know if thats enough proof, though, what if you cancel you sub and leave the dish up?

He says to put a garbage bag over the dish so they can't see the brand.

They may not see the brand, however if you pull out a compas and look at the direction its pointed, its clearly different from BEV (at least in my region )

I hack! Alright I said it!! I'm a hacker!! Direct tv is the life for me!!

yeah that makes no sense, the driving around part etc cus if you do subscribe to expressvu you'll know that they tell you that you can leave your old dish up and they'll send you a new dish (for 50 bux i think it is) and then you dont have to crawl up on the roof in the middle of winter etc and i think its to encite the new owners to get a dish as well

Originally posted by binabug yeah that makes no sense, the driving around part etc cus if you do subscribe to expressvu you'll know that they tell you that you can leave your old dish up and they'll send you a new dish (for 50 bux i think it is) and then you dont have to crawl up on the roof in the middle of winter etc and i think its to encite the new owners to get a dish as well

Your right binabug. And just to let anyone who will be in the situation of buying a house with Expressvu installed... You are better off to go buy a whole new kit including the dish. Our house we bought came with Expressvu, dish and recievers. We phoned them up to activate and expected the current deal ($100 credit towards programming). No go! Even though we were new subscribers the fine print on their offers stipulates new subscribers PLUS new system. Now we know why the previous owners left the recievers as well...

Originally posted by chubbstuff Direct tv is the life for me!!

Me too, can't beat new movies every Friday

oh apparently what they can drive around and check for is a signal that the device sends out...apparently its the same as the emergency broadcast signal and can interferre with airplanes and things

I have a legal subscribed card for direct tv take the numbers from it apply to another card and now i have wide open tv

Direct tv is the way

Originally posted by chubbstuff I hack! Alright I said it!! I'm a hacker!! Direct tv is the life for me!!

hehehe

Originally posted by CSK'sMom Your right binabug. And just to let anyone who will be in the situation of buying a house with Expressvu installed... You are better off to go buy a whole new kit including the dish. Our house we bought came with Expressvu, dish and recievers. We phoned them up to activate and expected the current deal ($100 credit towards programming). No go! Even though we were new subscribers the fine print on their offers stipulates new subscribers PLUS new system. Now we know why the previous owners left the recievers as well...

The way around this is just to buy a new receiver. You activate the new receiver as a new subscriber and then at a later date, add the existing receivers to your account. Then you can keep all the existing equipment and you'll have the one extra receiver. I guess it's what you would call playing their game but it's a way around the problem.

I used to hack. I had a DishNetwork system. It's great while it works but unless you want a new hobby of debugging your system, it's not worth it, particularly when you're in the middle of a program and the system cuts out. If you're not an expert in the technology or have a good friend who is, your satellite guy will be dealing with tons of other people at the same with the same problem. Aside from numerous phone calls, waiting, TV being down, there may be a cost element as well in getting the system up and running again.

I converted my Dish system to a Bell ExpressVu. It's the same technology. You can use the same dish but just need to re-point it. The receiver is actually the same as well but programmed differently depending on whether it's Dish or Bell.

As with everything else, there is no real free ride. If I were to get an American system, I'd pay the fees as a subscriber which can be done as well. However, unless you are really looking for specialized programming or tons of sports, the channel availability is pretty well on a par with the Canadian system. Granted you get more channels but most are network or network affiliates.

If you go the Directv route, the only way I would bother with it is if you have a programmer. Also, as mentioned above, its worth paying for a script service (just split the cost with 3 or 4 friends and it will cost you about $50 a year).

Personally, I liked the American dish better as it has HBO's, Cinamax, ShowTime, Sci-fi and others.

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