Originally posted by CSK'sMom |
Ahhh... I see how the reference to divine law was very conveniently left out alligator....
I didn't convenionently leave it out. it says or divine law. And i'd like to hear the divine law that says it's okay to lie to people to get them to conform to the principles of the religion. LIke i said. preach abstinence. fine. tell people that condoms don't always work. fine.
So I would like to know, can anybody answer? What is the catholic church's position. Is it that people with aids should cease to have sex, even if they're married. or according to the strictest letter of catholic doctrine, they should continue to have unprotected sex with their spouse and infect them, and continue to procreate (since birth control is wrong) and possibly infect their children....
I'd also like to know, purely for my own information, which passage in the bible is it exactly that outlaws birth control?
Okay I found this website, and it answered my own question.
Is contraception a modern invention? Hardly! Birth control has been around for millennia. Scrolls found in Egypt, dating to 1900 B.C., describe ancient methods of birth control that were later practiced in the Roman empire during the apostolic age. Wool that absorbed sperm, poisons that fumigated the uterus, potions, and other methods were used to prevent conception. In some centuries, even condoms were used (though made out of animal skin rather than latex).
The Bible mentions two forms of contraception specifically and condemns both. One, coitus interruptus, was used by Onan to avoid fulfilling his duty according to the ancient Jewish law of fathering children for one’s dead brother. "Judah said to Onan, ‘Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform the duty of a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.’ But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also" (Gen. 38:8–10).
The biblical penalty for not giving your brother’s widow children was public humiliation, not death (Deut. 25:7–10). But Onan received death as punishment for his crime. This means his crime was more than simply not fulfilling the duty of a brother-in-law. He lost his life because he violated natural law, as Jewish and Christian commentators have always understood. For this reason, artificial contraception has historically been known as "Onanism," after the man who practiced it, just as homosexuality has historically been known as "Sodomy," after the men of Sodom, who practiced that vice (cf. Gen. 19).
Deuteronomy 23:1 condemns birth control by sterilization: "He whose testicles are crushed or whose male member is cut off shall not enter the assembly of the Lord." These were the methods of male sterilization available in those days.
Although the Bible rarely deals with contraception—it was so far outside the biblical mindset and so obviously wrong that it did not need the frequent condemnations other sins did—Scripture condemns the practice when it mentions it at all. Once a moral principle has been established in the Bible, every possible application of it need not be mentioned. For example, the general principle that theft is wrong was clearly established in Scripture; but there’s no need to provide an exhaustive list of every kind of theft. Similarly, since the principle that contraception is wrong has been established by being condemned when it’s mentioned in the Bible, every particular form of birth control does not need to be dealt with in Scripture in order for us to see that it is condemned.
Is it me, or are the really reaching here. I mean, this isn't even from the new testament. according to their examples, it's also wrong for a guy not to have children with his dead brother's wife, and the poor soul who has a war injury can't make it into heaven, talk about adding insult to injury....
So I sum up. i can grasp that the catholic church can condemn pre-marital sex. I may not agree with it, but then i'm not catholic. at least they have some reasonably relevant new testament scriptures to back it up. but the outlawing of birth control seems tenuous at best, considering the above explanation. if anyone can find some better examples from the bible surrounding why birth control is wrong for married couples, i'd like to see them.